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posted by [personal profile] kgbooklog at 06:05pm on 26/05/2007 under ,
My panel for [livejournal.com profile] bittercon.

Big long series are very popular (readers like them because they know what to expect, publishers like them because they know how well they'll sell, authors like them because publishers like them). But sometimes an author will lose control of the story and just start flailing around at random. What are the signs this has happened?

My list:
  • Individual volumes end at arbitrary points and lack their own story arc

  • Focus shifts from the original main characters to minor characters introduced partway into the series

  • New mysteries added without old ones being solved

  • Page counts increase while the number of events decrease

  • Cliffhangers aren't resolved in the next book

I'm not just referring to Robert Jordan here; I suspect GRRM is already showing some of these, and this post was prompted by seeing that last point in the latest mystery by Carole Nelson Douglas.
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posted by [identity profile] a-d-medievalist.livejournal.com at 04:10am on 27/05/2007
I think GRRM started showing it midway through book 3.
 
posted by [identity profile] perkinwarbeck2.livejournal.com at 12:46pm on 28/05/2007
I thought he was doing fine until A Feast For Crows, where suddenly all these flaws became apparent at once. Maybe it just managed to hypnotise me up to that point.
 
posted by [identity profile] intertext.livejournal.com at 06:03am on 27/05/2007
With GRRM, I agree with [livejournal.com profile] a_d_medievalist that somewhere in book 3 we suspected that he'd gone off the rails. Or perhaps it was when he didn't wrap up the series with that book as he had originally intended to and then took however long it was to bring out the next one...

One thing I admire about J K Rowling is that she had the seven book sequence apparently prepared right from the word go and knew exactly where she was going, and to some extent it shows. On the other hand, I got the feeling that book 5 was a certain amount of wheel spinning; she didn't really need it to advance the plot arc(s) and that is why it's the weakest in the sequence imho.
 
posted by [identity profile] quiller77.livejournal.com at 07:43am on 27/05/2007
What a great list. I've been reading mostly in YA fantasy lately and haven't found any series that fit your lost-control bill. Except Harry Potter and its unwarranted page count increases -- but that isn't flailing so much as being enamoured of one's own capacity for endless details.
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posted by [personal profile] kate_nepveu at 07:38pm on 27/05/2007
Good one!

The number of planned books starts increasing . . . and keeps increasing.

The mysteries seem to be mysterious for the sake of puzzling the fans, not for any story sense.

For your second-to-last one, I'd add that the number of _significant_ events decrease. It's possible to spend half a book on a single day, if it's a really important day.
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posted by [personal profile] solarbird at 06:08am on 28/05/2007
Not to mention that some standalone books can suffer horribly from the nothing-important-happens problem. (Tad Williams, I'm looking in your direction - and with the same gaze I use to nail people to walls, I might add.)

Another key warning sign is when you start seeing re-runs of character emotional arcs. C.f., oh, I dunno, a gazillion comic books, but also Series 5 of Babylon 5, wherein the writer/producer had had to advance a bunch of stuff to finish the major story arcs in Series 4 (because everybody thought the show was over), and then suddenly found themselves with the fifth year they'd wanted all along. This left two major characters (G'Kar and Londo Mollari) without nearly as much to do as they'd have otherwise had, so their interaction arc from the second half of Series 4 kind of got rerun in more detail in Series 5. It really detracted from that year. I rather suspect that Series 5 showed it the way it had been originally planned, but because we'd seen them cover this ground already, it just didn't work right.
 
posted by [identity profile] perkinwarbeck2.livejournal.com at 12:48pm on 28/05/2007
The Kate Elliott series seem to be having problems along these lines from quite early on.

"Nothing happens, very slowly and with many details and much angst" is not my favorite thing.

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